Excellent update. Thank you. I recently replied to an Aaron Sibarium tweet in which I applauded Judge Ho’s effort. I maintained that we all have to fight cancel culture with the means available to us and that I for one removed YLS from my will and would make no further donations to YLS in my lifetime. In a very short time I received over 600 likes. She may not be a good Dean but Dean Gerken ain’t no fool.
Wow, good for you, Peter! Honestly, I think something like that has got to hurt. And some folks who share Judge Ho’s concerns but disagree on means (e.g., Jonathan Turley) argue that alumni withholding donations is a better tool.
This is a solid move. My view is we all have much to gain when we listen to one another even if we disagree (even vehemently sometimes) with what is said or believed. Law school like any other school should be a place that welcomes and encourages a diverse array of opinions. Learning and growth takes place when we are exposed to a wide range of thoughts and approaches. Thanks for this post, David.
Very good article-- so much info! plus good analysis.
The argument for the Wall is good. Here's an idea: the ideal would be for messages to posted to the Wall, which would require handwriting, or at least typing (which means that you have to print it too, and when you see it printed, you see how,e.g., you were unintentionally rude so you go back and rewrite)--- but each day someone photographs the new items on the Wall and posts them on the Web. That makes writing a little bit difficult,w hcih is good, but reading is still easy. Plus, faculty can read the Wall then without revealing that they are doing so.
Tho, to be sure, maybe there is a good social aspect to reading the Wall in a group too.
Interestingly, NYU Law also disabled their official listserv (coases) this summer. It was also immediately replaced by another, unofficial listserv (everything-nyu-law).
One thing YLS administrators claimed is that most of their peer schools no longer have such listservs; I immediately thought of Coases as a counterexample, not knowing it was no more. Thanks for the intel!
It would be no great chore, even now, to get the names of the offending students and publish them. Then let the boycotts begin. At present, all we have is a lick and a promise, but no truly substantive action.
Harvard is worlds better than Yale right now on free-speech issues. I spoke at HLS last spring and was talking to the FedSoc students about what the leftists on their campus do to protest. At YLS, they try to shout down conservative speakers; at HLS, one protest last year involved trying to type REALLY REALLY LOUDLY during an unpopular speaker. There’s a big difference.
I was at a Federalist Society event at Indiana's law school this afternoon, with Roger Pilon of Cato talking about Unenumerated Rights, and there were no protesters at all--- it was completely civilized, with the liberal introducer, Prof. Steve Sanders, pleasantly spending half his time agreeing strongly and half disagreeing strongly (tho both of them disagreed with me about Griswold being wrongly decided!).
Excellent update. Thank you. I recently replied to an Aaron Sibarium tweet in which I applauded Judge Ho’s effort. I maintained that we all have to fight cancel culture with the means available to us and that I for one removed YLS from my will and would make no further donations to YLS in my lifetime. In a very short time I received over 600 likes. She may not be a good Dean but Dean Gerken ain’t no fool.
Wow, good for you, Peter! Honestly, I think something like that has got to hurt. And some folks who share Judge Ho’s concerns but disagree on means (e.g., Jonathan Turley) argue that alumni withholding donations is a better tool.
This is a solid move. My view is we all have much to gain when we listen to one another even if we disagree (even vehemently sometimes) with what is said or believed. Law school like any other school should be a place that welcomes and encourages a diverse array of opinions. Learning and growth takes place when we are exposed to a wide range of thoughts and approaches. Thanks for this post, David.
Very good article-- so much info! plus good analysis.
The argument for the Wall is good. Here's an idea: the ideal would be for messages to posted to the Wall, which would require handwriting, or at least typing (which means that you have to print it too, and when you see it printed, you see how,e.g., you were unintentionally rude so you go back and rewrite)--- but each day someone photographs the new items on the Wall and posts them on the Web. That makes writing a little bit difficult,w hcih is good, but reading is still easy. Plus, faculty can read the Wall then without revealing that they are doing so.
Tho, to be sure, maybe there is a good social aspect to reading the Wall in a group too.
Interestingly, NYU Law also disabled their official listserv (coases) this summer. It was also immediately replaced by another, unofficial listserv (everything-nyu-law).
Oh wow, interesting! I was wondering about that.
One thing YLS administrators claimed is that most of their peer schools no longer have such listservs; I immediately thought of Coases as a counterexample, not knowing it was no more. Thanks for the intel!
It would be no great chore, even now, to get the names of the offending students and publish them. Then let the boycotts begin. At present, all we have is a lick and a promise, but no truly substantive action.
Harvard is worlds better than Yale right now on free-speech issues. I spoke at HLS last spring and was talking to the FedSoc students about what the leftists on their campus do to protest. At YLS, they try to shout down conservative speakers; at HLS, one protest last year involved trying to type REALLY REALLY LOUDLY during an unpopular speaker. There’s a big difference.
I was at a Federalist Society event at Indiana's law school this afternoon, with Roger Pilon of Cato talking about Unenumerated Rights, and there were no protesters at all--- it was completely civilized, with the liberal introducer, Prof. Steve Sanders, pleasantly spending half his time agreeing strongly and half disagreeing strongly (tho both of them disagreed with me about Griswold being wrongly decided!).